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Malone

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Hi, I found this West of Pueblo 

not sure what it is. It's approximately 6 inches long. Any ideas? The whole piece is filled with smaller creatures. Any suggestions on cleaning without damaging the small ones? Thank you!

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Well it looks interesting whatever it is. Get some pictures up from different angles and put a ruler in at least one image. Got a more accurate location? Maybe show on a map then members can work out the era. That helps a lot as certainly fossils only existed at certain times. Google ‘mass extinctions’ and have a read. 

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This is the back side with a bunch of indistinguishable creatures in it. Is there a way to dissolve the rock and leave the fossils?

3 minutes ago, JohnBrewer said:

Well it looks interesting whatever it is. Get some pictures up from different angles and put a ruler in at least one image. Got a more accurate location? Maybe show on a map then members can work out the era. That helps a lot as certainly fossils only existed at certain times. Google ‘mass extinctions’ and have a read. 

Yeah I read about the kt event( now called the kp event. I was just researching it. The berriasian layer. I also saw a video on tv. The iridium layer and all that. I found it West of Pueblo in a debris pile. Probably from the rock canyon anticline.

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2 minutes ago, Malone said:

Is there a way to dissolve the rock and leave the fossils?

9 minutes ago, JohnBrewer said:

That depends on what the matrix (rock) and fossil is made of. I think first you need an ID. You need to post pictures of the potential fossil from lots of angle including close ups. And a scale! Don’t use a coin use a ruler. I don’t know the size of anything than British money. :) 

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I think it is a mineral filled crack. Maybe selenite.

The overall rock looks like a limestone. (Does it fizz with vinegar?)

There are some fragmented fossils in it (maybe whole inside). 

If the fossils are insoluble in acid, then You can dissolve the limestone to free the fossils.

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With the addition of the ruler the picture will not load. I tried with several pictures. It seems to add to much information. It measures 6 inches from tip to tail in a straight line.

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Also I don't have any vinegar. Never had a use for it till now. I'll pick some up. Would I just soak the rock in vinegar till it was just fossils left?

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1 minute ago, Malone said:

Also I don't have any vinegar. Never had a use for it till now. I'll pick some up. Would I just soak the rock in vinegar till it was just fossils left?

Oh, no, don't do that! You want to be careful with vinegar. As the fossil in limestone will also be composed of calcium carbonate, a far too long soak will dissolve the fossil as well. 

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First You need to make sure it is limestone.

Do this by taking a small chip off . Crush the chip into powder and add a drop or two of vinegar to see if it fizzes.

Then do the same to a piece of a fossil from the rock.

If they both fizz then dissolving the limestone with acid will not work to free the fossils.

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Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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5 minutes ago, JohnBrewer said:

The only time to use lots of vinegar is on proper British fish and chips. With salt of course :P 

Absolutely! 

One of the few things I miss from Blighty. 

But i do manage to get a nice chip or two when i visit Spain every few months. 

And don't forget the optional ketchup and, for me, HP! 

Yummmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

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Just now, Tidgy's Dad said:

Absolutely! 

One of the few things I miss from Blighty. 

But i do manage to get a nice chip or two when i visit Spain every few months. 

And don't forget the optional ketchup and, for me, HP! 

Yummmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

HP for grown ups, ketchup for kids ;) 

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I would guess...inoceramid inaconcretion. :)

 

@Malone, I've had some small successes with sledges, hammers and chisels on similar concretions. If there isn't a particular specimen I'm after, smashing it open with a baby sledge can be rewarding.

 

Always wear safety glasses.

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53 minutes ago, PFOOLEY said:

I would guess...inoceramid inaconcretion. :)

 

@Malone, I've had some small successes with sledges, hammers and chisels on similar concretions. If there isn't a particular specimen I'm after, smashing it open with a baby sledge can be rewarding.

 

Always wear safety glasses.

Thank you!

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Continuing along with PFOOLEY's advice, try to remove some of the matrix below the red lines in the first 2 photos and/or give the block a whack with a hammer under the red line in the last one. If there's any shell substance there, then that should at least expose some of it. That would make the identification a lot easier than it is at this point......Sorry. I had to edit this since I noticed that I put the line in the wrong place in the 2nd photo...

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10 minutes ago, Ludwigia said:

Continuing along with PFooley's advice, try to remove some of the matrix below the red lines in the first 2 photos and/or give the block a whack with a hammer under the red line in the last one. If there's any shell substance there, then that should at least expose some of it. That would make the identification a lot easier than it is at this point.

 

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Thank you very much 

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