Caroboneferous Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I found this piece on the Missouri River outside of Kansas City. There were Carboniferous fossils in the same area. It looks like a crinoid stem, except it’s smooth? Also, the broken ends don’t show any sort of star pattern. I was curious, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblackston Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I wonder if this could be a baculite or a echinoid spine. I am not familiar with carboniferous fossils but I saw those in our 4H guidebooks and they looked similar. Smooth tapering spines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Hunter Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I think bacculite also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-fish Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Another possibility would be a Scaphopod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroboneferous Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, X-fish said: Another possibility would be a Scaphopod That is a possibility, the majority of fossils I’ve found at this location have been from Carboniferous limestone. It’s on a River, but still it looks like the same Pennsylvanian era limestone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) It appears that we are looking at a mold (smooth area). The yellow area looks like recrystalized “shell”. Edited July 12, 2021 by DPS Ammonite 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Too old for baculites. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Scaphopod comes to mind for me as well. Another possibility is Aviculopinna, a razor clam. 1 Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngodles Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Im going to say orthocone cephalopod (Orthocerida). It is much too narrow of an angle to be a pinnid (razor clam). There would also be more than one big layer of shell with a discernible prismatic layer on top. I’d be curious what the small end looks like sharp and up close. https://fossil.15656.com/catalog/search-for/Orthocerida 2 1 Fossils of Parks Township - Research | Catalog | How-to Make High-Contrast Photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngodles Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Also, these look like a separation of some sort, which would be septal walls if it’s a cephalopod. 1 1 Fossils of Parks Township - Research | Catalog | How-to Make High-Contrast Photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas.Dodson Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I'd say cephalopod. cngodles echoed my sentiment on pinnids. For scaphopods I'd expect to see visible curvature over such a long section. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, Thomas.Dodson said: For scaphopods I'd expect to see visible curvature over such a long section. Some of our Pennsylvanian scaphopods are quite straight, as is this Paleodentalium: Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas.Dodson Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Missourian said: Some of our Pennsylvanian scaphopods are quite straight, as is this Paleodentalium: Still seeing curvature in this specimen that I don't see in OP's although my eyes have been fooled by photos before. There's also the separation (as it appears anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 As for razor clams (Aviculopinna/Pteronites), I had this one in mind: Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngodles Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I have no experience at all with scaphopods, so I can't make any sort of assessment there. As for the razorclam (Pinnids), the example before my comment appears to be still buried in matrix. In the subject specimen for this thread, it appears to be an elongated oval in cross section with rounded sides. Pinnids typically will be a pointed oval in cross section, except perhaps at the base. Also, they have more inflation than the specimen. I'm more confident with pinnids, as I got to spend half a day last month examining all of my specimens with a professional (more about that to come some day in the future). Below is a typical cross section for a Carboniferous (Late Pennsylvanian) pinnid. More than you've ever wanted to know about them: https://fossil.15656.com/research-pages/aviculopinna/ Fossils of Parks Township - Research | Catalog | How-to Make High-Contrast Photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 9:17 PM, cngodles said: Also, these look like a separation of some sort, which would be septal walls if it’s a cephalopod. I agree. There would be no reason to see this segmentation on specimens of any of the other suggestions and every reason to see them on an internal mold of an orthoconic cephalopod. As @DPS Ammonite said there appears to be remains of the shell along the outer margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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