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Fossilized but what? Need help with ID please


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Hi there,

I found this in Fannin county, Texas and it is fossilized but not quite sure what it is.

It looks to me like the start of a pinecone. Any help with ID would be very helpful.

Thank you

Jim

 

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Is it made of lignite or coal-like? In other words, is it hard and mineralized?

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Hi DPS,

 

It’s hard as a rock and mineralized. 

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I see layers, but not individual bracts. Can you show an up close picture of some bracts? Maybe a phosphatic or iron rich concretion. What color is its streak?

 

 

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Here’s a few closer up pictures. It’s lighter brown to dark brown.

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Looks like a spiral coprolite from a shark or fish.

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That’s what I thought too, we should check that it is indeed a spiral. If so, it would be a particularly well preserved coprolith. Ho much is it size ?

 

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I thought it was well preserved also. I’m going to look at it today under a microscope. It’s only about 7/8” long and a  1/4” wide. 

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In the middle picture of the second set of pictures. I'm pretty sure I can see a definite spiral... I'm in the coprolite camp myself....

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Just took theses pictures under a microscope and it looks like a pinecone and some spots of amber also in the whorls. 

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I agree with the others, shark coprolite. Remember in Fannin county you're in Late Cretaceous marine deposits (NSR or a branch of it I'm guessing), so shark feces should not be surprising. Nothing you've presented supports it being a pinecone. Conifer seed cones have well-separated "scales" that are in arranged in a number of geometric patterns, not a continuous spiral as seen here. Hope this helps!

 

Example shark coprolites:

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Hunt, Adrian P. et al. “VERTEBRATE COPROLITES FROM CRETACOUS CHALK IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA AND THE SHARK SURPLUS PARADOX.” (2015).

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